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Sasha Azala Blood and Decay 104	Posted - 2012.03.26 08:14:00 - [1] - Quote Ladie Harlot wrote: It's not immoral to mock stupid people. If indeed the person in question was suffering from mental health issues, then the actions you're defending are not even remotely funny. You do spend a lot of time defending the Mittani in threads, so much so that it is noticeable. There's no law against defending the Mittani of course, but I just wonder if he gives you a bonus. The more replys I see from the Mittani the more I tend to think he's not a person of good character.
Sasha Azala Blood and Decay 104	Posted - 2012.03.26 08:21:00 - [2] - Quote Kehro Urgus wrote: Sasha Azala wrote: Ladie Harlot wrote: It's not immoral to mock stupid people. If indeed the person in question was suffering from mental health issues, then the actions you're defending are not even remotely funny. You do spend a lot of time defending the Mittani in threads, so much so that it is noticeable. There's no law against defending the Mittani of course, but I just wonder if he gives you a bonus. The more replys I see from the Mittani the more I tend to think he's not a person of good character. I heard he is a lawyer. There's good and bad lawyers both in attitude and/or what they know.
Sasha Azala Blood and Decay 104	Posted - 2012.03.26 08:35:00 - [3] - Quote Karadion wrote: [If I stole a bunch of **** from someone ingame and they kill themselves as a result of my action, it's not my damn problem. They make the choices themselves, I in no way am responsible for their actions. You've chosen a poor example. In your example above, you are just playing the game and therefore there is nothing you could have done other than not play the game.
Sasha Azala Blood and Decay 104	Posted - 2012.03.26 09:03:00 - [4] - Quote Karadion wrote: Sasha Azala wrote: Karadion wrote: [If I stole a bunch of **** from someone ingame and they kill themselves as a result of my action, it's not my damn problem. They make the choices themselves, I in no way am responsible for their actions. You've chosen a poor example. In your example above, you are just playing the game and therefore there is nothing you could have done other than not play the game. I don't care. What part of that do you not get? My moral code is far different from your moral code. You are not allowed to define what my moral code is and that's a fact of life. Morality has always been subjective to interpretation and how we define things to be good and bad on a case by case basis. For me, if my actions caused another person to threaten to kill themselves, why am I responsible? They make the choices themselves and I will never ever care. It has nothing to do with being a sociopath. It has to do with poor decisions that people make every day. "I'm going to kill myself." "Okay. And?" From what you've written, I take it Karadion is probably an alt of the Mittani? If your actions goaded someone into doing something then you are at least partially responsible for the outcome. It's not just about someone making poor decisions some people can be influenced by others and in the case of people with mental health issues they're even more vulnerable.
Sasha Azala Blood and Decay 106	Posted - 2012.03.26 10:17:00 - [5] - Quote Karadion wrote: I did not pick the outcome or their threat therefore I am not responsible. These people make those choices out of their own doing. You can influence the outcome of a threat and if you do that you're partially responsible. Karadion wrote: Say the bank does a foreclosure on your house and you threaten to kill yourself because you failed to pay your mortgage, why is it the bank's fault? Are you saying that the bank should just back off and let the person keep his home because his life is a good bargaining chip against anyone? It's not the banks fault and in a lot of cases it may not be the person who pays the mortgage's fault either. Circumstances maybe preventing them from being able to pay. Banks do try to help if they can (how far depends on the bank and country), but banks have to take a tough line in the end because if they didn't people would scam them. But I'd hope that if they suspected someone was at real risk of harming themselves they would notify the right authority (not all countries may have a system for dealing with this, that I can't say). Karadion wrote: "Sorry, Todd. I'm leaving you." "You turbonigger ***, I'm going to kill myself if you leave". My friend had her boyfriend did that to her and I told her to leave anyways. She's not responsible Emotional blackmail never works in the long run and your advice might have been correct depending on the circumstances. But if you really think that your partner would harm themselves then it would be wise to get someone they know well to talk to them (might help put things into perspective) if you're not getting through to them. Karadion wrote:** no differently than I am responsible for some douchebag that threatens to kill themselves because I scammed them out of their possessions. If you're playing in-game using game mechanics (scamming is allowed) then you can't be held responsible. However, your actions after the scam could be viewed differently depending on what they were.
Sasha Azala Blood and Decay 106	Posted - 2012.03.26 10:48:00 - [6] - Quote Karadion wrote: Self-interest takes priority over other people. And you are the chair of the CSM
Sasha Azala Blood and Decay 119	Posted - 2012.03.26 19:45:00 - [7] - Quote Karadion wrote: B) The Mittani did not sign the EULA nor did he sign the TOS for Eve Online when he attended Fanfest. The two are mutually exclusive. Why are you talking about the Mittani now like it's a 3rd person? Role playing?
Sasha Azala Blood and Decay 121	Posted - 2012.03.26 20:20:00 - [8] - Quote Andski wrote: Blinking Duck wrote: FEAR! I mean seriously, you guys really are shitting bricks! we're not afraid, heh 10,058 angry people can influence outcomes ;p Wonder what the real figure is if you exclude the alts.
Sasha Azala Blood and Decay 121	Posted - 2012.03.26 20:55:00 - [9] - Quote Jake Warbird wrote: Heres what I found... Apparently eve players are the lowest scum in the universe... Not surprising really, when you have a player elected by players and players alts and representing the player base acting in such a manner.
Sasha Azala Blood and Decay 122	Posted - 2012.03.26 21:30:00 - [10] - Quote Xython wrote: Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: Xython wrote: Wuxi Wuxilla wrote: Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: I am truly sorry for the 10k voters who were betrayed by him like this Wait, what? I don't feel betrayed by him at all. He represents the best of EVE. Think about this: even if you do not think he did anything wrong, a lot of people in EVE, in the community he is supposed to represent, by your vote and your mandate, do. He is an experienced CSM member; he should have been aware that there are some rules of conduct and that what he does will cause an outrage. He has caused serious damage to the game by the media scandal. I think that counts as "betrayal" even if you agree with the initial action. You might not have been able to expect the reaction of the playerbase or the media - but he should have, if he was worthy of your trust as a representative of the game and its community. No, a lot of chickenshit cowards who are too scared to post under their real characters are mad. But they literally don't matter, in the least. You mean like the Mittani posting with Karadion?

Sasha Azala Blood and Decay 122	Posted - 2012.03.26 21:35:00 - [11] - Quote Meryl SinGarda wrote: Xython wrote: penguin man wrote: Remove him **** off. Notice how Goons are mainly the only people defending him. There were a couple of TEST too earlier, although no real surprise there either.
Sasha Azala Blood and Decay 127	Posted - 2012.03.26 23:08:00 - [12] - Quote Xenuria wrote: The Thread is more about the untapped outrage over Mittani and the regret people who did not vote for me now have to deal with. Well at least you made me laugh.
Sasha Azala Blood and Decay 134	Posted - 2012.03.27 12:37:00 - [13] - Quote Celinei X'Mora wrote: The Mittani shouldn't resign. The reasons are easy explain This is what we wanted. It's all our fault, the whole community, CCPs included. We knew what kind of morons Goons were and we elected the King of Morons to lead. No reason to feel betrayed, surprised, or shocked. I honestly expected a lot more of this type of thing, I'm just impressed it took a year to get here. CCP has always made it clear that this type of behavior is acceptable (griefing, cyberbullying, scamming etc) but for some reason, everyone believes its unacceptable in this case because someone has STATED they are suicidal and emotionally unstable. The fact that someone could be emotionally unstable without it being announced is apparently not possible and is therefore allowed within the rules The point is, we, as a community, have gotten what we asked for, and we share equally in the responsibility. So don't throw The Mittani under the bus because he is acting like he has always acted. Again, he is what we strive to be everyday in Eve, if that were not so, how is it he is our top representative in the CSM So, sadly, we have to look on this situation and cheer. Again we make headlines. We have made them in a way of our own choosing Congratulations to the community and to CCP. Keep up the good work. Making negative headlines is not likely what CCP would have hoped for. CSMs represent the player base but they're not a true representation of the demographics of that player base as most people don't even vote. Main reasons most people don't vote, they don't see the point in the CSM and/or they have no real idea who they would be voting for (plus some can't be bothered). It's not like political parties where if you're not sure about the candidate you can still vote for them if you have a party preference. I think the Mittani should resign as CSM as he said he intends to (if he's not done it already). I have nothing against him personally or the Goons and their associates, although it's obvious that some people posting do. If he was to stand for CSM next year, I would have no problem with that, that's if CCP are willing to risk it. Although the one thing that concerns me most about The Mittani as being on the CSM is his attitude about putting his self-interest above anything else. That of course would be ok if your view matched his perfectly. I'll edit in the quote in a minute.
Sasha Azala Blood and Decay 137	Posted - 2012.03.27 13:10:00 - [14] - Quote RougeOperator wrote: RogueMind wrote: Kallynda Nai wrote: Seriously, if you don't think The Mittani is competent, you haven't been paying attention for the past year. You're right because being one of the people to take the lead on the public outcry during the hub riots and getting us on the road to all these improvements that have come and are coming is a bad thing. You mean how he showed up way late for the riots and then took credit for them after initially not supporting them? You serious? QFT
Sasha Azala Blood and Decay 139	Posted - 2012.03.27 14:31:00 - [15] - Quote Corina Jarr wrote: The only person who should have a say in the Mittani's resignation is the victim. And in this case, he doesn't care. He's moved on. Why can't the rest of you. As a CSM he is a representative of the player base and as such is also accountable to the player base as far as if he should resign or not. They can ask for his resignation if they think it's warranted, but they can't force that resignation request to happen, only CCP can do that once the candidates are elected. But he's already said that he'll resign, so if he has any decency he'll do just that.
Sasha Azala Blood and Decay 150	Posted - 2012.03.28 15:59:00 - [16] - Quote Lenrir Andven wrote: Karim alRashid wrote: Rodj Blake wrote: If people should only be banned from the game because of in-game actions, then presumably you'd be quite happy to see him banned from future Fanfests since that's where the incident happened? Does the Fanfest have an EULA or TOS ? Just imagine it, you about to enter fanfest...then they force you to read the 10 pages worth of EULA/TOS, all in small print. I would rather about turn and go to the local brew. There are general rules of conduct that you don't have to sign, which you are accountable for. They're called laws.
Sasha Azala Blood and Decay 153	Posted - 2012.03.28 22:27:00 - [17] - Quote Lexmana wrote: CCP should really permaban badposters on this forum. Also IBTL. They're unlikely to lock this one as it's one they direct people to. Or do you post IBTL on most of your posts?